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Published: 2020-04-11 09:46:27 +0000 UTC; Views: 756; Favourites: 10; Downloads: 0
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Description Keep censoring people, Susan. You're helping us, not hurting us.
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Ostosman [2023-02-20 11:52:39 +0000 UTC]

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ADE-doodles [2020-04-13 02:44:01 +0000 UTC]

which "Alt-Tech" are getting traction?

i'm not a big socialmedia user so I don't see the shift.

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paradigm-shifting In reply to ADE-doodles [2020-04-13 03:55:39 +0000 UTC]

LBRY, BitChute, Minds, Gab, Pocketnet, Unsilenced Voice.

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ADE-doodles In reply to paradigm-shifting [2020-04-14 01:28:21 +0000 UTC]

seems like plenty of good and interesting stuff on most of those sites.

But very sad that so many white supremacist and "brown" hater info floats to the top there as well.


I guess it's human nature to go even more tribal when folks feel oppressed or threatened ... no matter what side it comes from.


While i do see it, and think many of the wholesale attacks on western culture are ignorant and self-destructive to humanity as a whole.

I don't see how it can be defended honestly by pretending that "race" is the preeminent factor that created whatever good has come from western culture. especially when much of the character is and mindset is rooted in one of the brown groups that many on those platforms seems to think are trying to kill them. the "Jews". Without the Bible the Europeans in Ireland would probably still be drinking the blood of their enemies out of human skulls. And worshiping nature gods and Zeus.

So i've never beenΒ  sure how so many if them seem to manage to mentally sidestep their own pagan history and point the finger at other around the world who didn't have the privileged of 1000+ years of tumultuous and imperfect but self directed Judeo/Christian moral and philosophical influence.


But anyway, Martian Luther King hoped for a day when people wouldn't be judge by color of skin but by their character.

Sadly it seems that the extremest at each end want to lead everyone into tossing that idea into the crapper.




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paradigm-shifting In reply to ADE-doodles [2020-04-14 19:58:30 +0000 UTC]

Freedom is dangerous and risky, however tyranny is infinitely more dangerous than freedom could ever be. Bad speech can only be defended against with good speech. If instead of getting #triggered people would just flood these sites with positive memes and content to drown out the racist ones, this would be much better than getting all offended. Plus, we've gotten to the point where people have no sense of humor. I absolutely love inappropriate humor. Make fun of anything, in any way -- I enjoy it. But I also know that it is just humor.

I don't think most people are racist -- but the main stream wants everyone to think most people are. They want to encourage a culture of fear and paranoia, because a human race that is dominated by such a thing, is easier to control.

You will never see a day where no one ever judges anyone by the color of their skin, but we can see a day where such people are the extreme minority. Those people already are an extreme minority, it is just that the people who control the media want us to think otherwise. At the very least they are an extreme minority in the western world, can't really speak to any other type.Β 

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ADE-doodles In reply to paradigm-shifting [2020-04-15 00:00:51 +0000 UTC]

(Sorry about the long post (rant) but just wanted to be clear)



Yes, I suppose the MSM and social media megazours are triggered by racist and overtly white supremacist and pro-nazi chatter to the point of banning. And they do in fact draw a FAR wider circle for the term racist than any person whose trying to be objective should consider reasonable.

It's very sad that some of the folks that used to claim to be the protectors of "free speech", especially when it comes to most gutter talk, neo-porn imagery and general irreverent blasphemy, suddenly can't endure any commentary or even hard facts that questions their supposed "broad-minded" POVs.


And there's no doubt they'll always be some racist in this world, and I'd like to think that they are in the minority. But I don't think that a few people giving push-back on a few these sites is really going to happen.


I used to chat on a political web-board which was primarily conservative/rightwingish. For years I never made a point of bringing up my race so many people never even knew that I was Black. There were few outright racist there btw. And most didn't stay long, but it wasn't because they got shouted down by those that refuted them. Often they were simply tolerated, at best ignored. I made some corrective comments here and there and RARELY got backup from the rest of the board. Eventually my race became common knowledge and things went on fine until Trump came along... at that point many previously "non-racist" started to become more and more agitated at my criticism of Trump (full spectrum except for his stated foreign policy). And suddenly out of the blue I started to get racist comments sent my way. Random threads the failings of blacks popped up, a "offcolor" racist jokes thread became a thing... in the name of "free speech".Β  Finally someone simply called me a N----- .

Mind you as I said I'd been on the site and "friends" there for years. As had most of the others. I asked the source when i could expect an apology. he refused. and only ONE person on the board condemned the commenters and the board admin said the use of the word wasn't banned and the person wouldn't be warned becasue for "free speech". Also, as a point of context, earlier in the same month i'd simply quoted a comedian who used the word "C-NT" against a right-wing figure and practically everyone on the board scolded me for supposedly downplaying it's horror. And they could not believe i didn't understand the level of it's offense.


So at that point I just felt it was best that I leave. The board had already run off all of the full-on left-wingers, "conspiracy theorist" and many of the non or neutral to Trump reasonable right-wingers. I was the lone politically independent conspiracy Christian... and i left.

So again no one FLOODED the pages with corrective anti-raicst commentary. And overall I can count on one hand the number of times anyone other than myself made anti-racist commentary. Or even reprimand a poster for racist commentary.

And I'm talking about real racist stuff like 'black people are born killers, thieves and drug users. blacks are thugs so the police have to... all blacks with nice cars are on welfare... Mexicans are diseased and taking all our jobs..." Black protest was by default uncalled for and "a riot" and rioters are animals while white rioters after a college football game are just rowdy. "why do blacks want to move into neighborhoods where they are not wanted"Β  etc, etc, etc...


And just to be clear this wasn'tΒ  an Alt-Right or neo-nazi type website. They disliked Stromfront type politics and always talked about how those types were outliers and NOT part of the "REAL" republican party or "REAL" conservatives.


And I have to say frankly that BEFORE i spent years on this mainly conservative sight, and visited others, that I had a MORE favorable view of Republicans and Conservatives than I do now concerning race issues. Granted it was mainly one website but the larger political climate and the rise of Trump and the fringe inclusions of ...rather than sharp rejection of,Β  several overtly alt-right types into mainstream politics has given me a different perspective.


do i think everyone is racist now or even every self proclaimed "conservative". No. not at all.

Am i sure that many people on the right harbor or allow racist ideas and attitudes to drift in the air without concern or real confrontation. Yep.

Am i sure I can find substantial back-up from the good folks on the right if even very real racism is exposed. Nope.

Should I expect rational Americans from the left right or whereever to flood predominately racist sites? mmm, Nope.

If I were to go to these sites and start posting factual rebuttals to and condemnation of overtly racist post should i expect a flood of backup from other visitors or a lot of attacks from the regulars who seem to have all the time in the world?


The idea that "most Americans" aren't really racist i believe is very true in a general sense but i don't know of many Americans that really ever want to confront racism, I mean the real stuff, not the "You don't like Obama you're a racist." BS, but in the sense ofΒ  "Uncle Joe is a foreman at the job and he hates Mexicans and doesn't hire them, it's not right but, OH WELL, that's my Uncle, he's a good guy in every other way." Never seriously confronting him about his POV. Frankly that's the kind of "I'm not a racist" I think America has a lot of.


I'd like to HOPE that people would "just flood these sites with positive memes and content to drown out the racist ones"Β  but I'm not holding my breath my friend. I'm going to post a few myself just to test the waters. I hate the censorship of Youtube, facebook twitter etc.. ButΒ  Alt-Right Neo-Nazi heavy alternatives aren't very appealing to me or as you say the general public.Β 






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Cambion-Hunter [2020-04-11 15:37:21 +0000 UTC]

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paradigm-shifting In reply to Cambion-Hunter [2020-04-11 21:38:18 +0000 UTC]

It will survive, but it will just become like MySpace. In other words: a site that a few million people use, but most of the world no longer gives a shit.

It will also take more than a year to get that way, and I'll explain this very simple.

On the level of each individual person -- once all of the channels a person enjoys watching are all removed and have moved to other platforms, that person will by default drastically reduce their use of YouTube. They will only use it when occasionally a friend shares a link and the link just happens to be on YouTube. Or links to some 10+ year old video that got overlooked in the purges.Β 

Once most people on YouTube have lost their reasons for using the service, you can see the inevitable.

So it is not as if one day Youtube will close it's doors, people will just slowly leave over time and YouTube will devolve into a shadow of it's former self and slowly become lost to the sands of time. So it will be a slow but steady process. We already see it happening.Β 

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Cambion-Hunter In reply to paradigm-shifting [2020-04-12 02:37:16 +0000 UTC]

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paradigm-shifting In reply to Cambion-Hunter [2020-04-12 04:04:18 +0000 UTC]

Google won't shut it down to silence dissenters, they'll simply increase the purges. Even more channels, being purged, even more often.Β 

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Cambion-Hunter In reply to paradigm-shifting [2020-04-12 04:27:32 +0000 UTC]

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paradigm-shifting In reply to Cambion-Hunter [2020-04-12 04:39:31 +0000 UTC]

I just don't see the logic in it. If they did that, everyone would simply migrate literally to anywhere else that exists. Such a measure wouldn't actually "do anything".

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Enriks-Da-Writer [2020-04-11 10:58:05 +0000 UTC]

People like her aren't digging their graves at this point.

They've dug an entire fucking pyramid tomb!

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paradigm-shifting In reply to Enriks-Da-Writer [2020-04-11 21:40:04 +0000 UTC]

EnriksD8 , Brendan1903 -- it is like I said here .

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Enriks-Da-Writer In reply to paradigm-shifting [2020-04-12 01:27:07 +0000 UTC]

It's hilarious that YouTube will be reduced to such a state.

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Brendan1903 In reply to paradigm-shifting [2020-04-11 22:14:04 +0000 UTC]

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Brendan1903 In reply to Enriks-Da-Writer [2020-04-11 13:52:38 +0000 UTC]

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Enriks-Da-Writer In reply to Brendan1903 [2020-04-12 01:27:22 +0000 UTC]

Thanks.

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Brendan1903 In reply to Enriks-Da-Writer [2020-04-12 02:27:55 +0000 UTC]

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