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KAPbl4 [2020-08-03 11:58:48 +0000 UTC]
Nice one. Resembles a ceriain scene from the Expanse, though.
So, considering the war, mentioned in your lore pieces - I suppose, the jovian coalition had a little choice, except swarming the enemy away, putting the strain on their resupply effort, while using a home field advantage themselves. That explains space M-types along with space tachankas.
Whether they really had enough population eager to kill themselves against the invaders and what's left of this population in result - is another question.
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Do-Mo In reply to KAPbl4 [2020-08-03 21:34:19 +0000 UTC]
Which scene? I'm curious about the comparison. This is a very plain scene, I was amused by how these space cars actually turned out pretty compact, and the contrast with how huge the patrol ship turned out.
Pretty much, Martins are the equivalent of a coast guard cutter, while a Martian Lothbrok would roughly be equivalent of a Slava Class cruiser...not really much of a contest in a direct fight, given that one of them couldn't even approach the other. But in space, anything is a weapon, and no matter how advanced a ship, if you follow known physics and potential technologies, it still needs to be careful, so quantity has its own quality. It's not hard to make improvised weapons, even something like a barrel filled with solid fuel, a simple engine and explosive/fragmenting tip would be dangerous with good numbers and coordination. And there are many options like that, in the end, each ship is a weapon in itself. Resupplying is also an issue, again to take Lothbrok as an example, in best circumstances it would take it 10 days to go from Mars to Jupiter...on the other hand, it could take 2 months...more if you decide to save on DeltaV. The way I vaguely imagine that war in my head it starts with an attempt to finish it swiftly before the defenders get the chance to act, but stumbles in the opening acts, which uncomfortably drags it into a war of attrition to see who gives up first.
M-types with space tachankas is a fantastic reference!
Neither population would be too huge, I'm thinking something like tens of millions, but I'd never underestimate peoples eagerness to fight and die for their cause. Modern wars are a good example of that.
Also, check this out, you might find it interesting:
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KAPbl4 In reply to Do-Mo [2020-08-04 03:29:56 +0000 UTC]
It resembles some scenes from the Ganymede standoff, for some reason. Ecpecially - Rocinante's surprise encounter with martian destroyer. Not a direct match, but size diference was shown well too.
There is one fundamental thing in military planning, called "basic triad". It consists of offense, maneuver and sustainability. In simple words - if some fighting force can't A) engage what they want, where they want, when they want B) relocate, gather and project force at will C) keep the majority of units operational at any given time - they can just disband and go home.
So, I suppose, that instead of engaging combat units, jovians focused on hin&run or trajectory denial attacks against martian logistical network, and martians got their share of Afghanistan instead of supposed blitzkrieg.
Sure thing. Not really found of any popular sci-fi, but sure, I'll figure something.
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Do-Mo In reply to KAPbl4 [2020-08-04 10:13:36 +0000 UTC]
Makes little sense to go to a direct engagement with a superior opponent, that would be an act of extreme desperation. Sadly sneak attacks don't work too well in space, but vast distances play a huge advantage when your opponent has limited numbers. One day I may flesh that whole conflict out, but I have no idea when or if that may actually happen.
It's not limited to just sci-fi, you could have nominated a Roman trireme and it would still be valid. But you did come up with an interesting idea, it actually could work as a good direction for something I've already been planing to do.
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KAPbl4 In reply to Do-Mo [2020-08-04 10:26:59 +0000 UTC]
That depends on what you'd call a sneak attack. A debris bomb, disguised as discarded fuel tank and passively lobbed from the Jupiter's radiation belt cover in general direction of the martian FOB - can work out devastatingly well.
If you want any help with military theory considering your lore - you're welcome to ask any questions anytime. In our community, I mentioned before, there are some people, who really like to solve theoretical tasks like this one.
You're welcome.
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Do-Mo In reply to KAPbl4 [2020-08-04 10:34:00 +0000 UTC]
It can work well, but that's a bit of an obvious trick, it's always worth a try if it's a cheap idea, but stuff like that would be easy to negate. Though, that in itself is also an asset, making your target stay alert at all times, increases a chance of them making a mistake eventually. Though, if nothing else, then for fun, my next post will include a sort of obvious trick from the other side...
Sure, but like I said, I have no idea when, if ever will I start working on that.
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KAPbl4 In reply to Do-Mo [2020-08-04 10:58:24 +0000 UTC]
Martians are invaders. So, they can't allow to waste ammo on every piece of floating junk. With this Afghanistan analogy - soviets never bothered to ambush-proof all the roads, all the time. It would lead Β only to overextention.
There's a conception, called enthropic warfare and it fits perfectly to this situation. Forcing the enemy to repeatedly overextent or overmass, while undermining their logistics by coordinated guerilla action. Eventually, they succumb to material shortages and coordinational mixup.
Tactical wise, the Jupiter system is a total swamp. No stable synchronous orbits due to multiple overlapping tide effects, no stable L-points, a radiation belt, garbling any long-range comms and disallowing deployment of any effective EW network. And it fits perfectly to the guerilla warfare. First-choice contermeasures are pretty clear too. In martian operation commander's chair, I would concentrate on taking and maintaining control over population centers, organising at least some local supply substitute, then began to gradually purge all the other space from resistance, turning the attrition against the locals. The question is, who will be first to be left without materials. Chances is about 50\50.
No problem, offer will stay.
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